GRO Index Discrepancy or Name Variations?

So far in the 50 Marriage Mondays series, I have presented marriage certificates that were issued on the day of the event, or by the General Register Office.  This marriage certificate was issued on 30 October 2000 by the superintendent registrar for the district in which it occurred, Abingdon.

Marriage certificate - William Dunsdon & Eliza Ellen Kembry

Marriage certificate – William Dunsdon & Eliza Ellen Kembry

Bride: Eliza Ellen Kembry or Kembrey
Groom: William Dunsdon
Date: 29 April 1871
Location: parish church, Fyfield, Berkshire

A quick recap on the registration system:  Two registers kept by the church where filled in as the marriages occurred. Every quarter, copies of the marriages were made and sent to the General Register Office (GRO), which prepared a national index of all marriages.  This is the index that is widely available online (e.g. FreeBMD) and on microfiche, and is the one I consulted to order the certificate.  Once the registers were full, one was sent to the district registrar, who created their own index of registers in their keeping, which is different from the GRO index.  Some of these indexes have been published and are searchable at UK BMD, but Fyfield parish is not yet included.  The second register may remain at the church, but most have been deposited at County Record Offices or Archives.

The April-June 1871 GRO index entries for this marriage provide this information:

Surname Forename District Vol Page
DUNSDON  William Abingdon  2c 547
KEMBREY  Eliza Ellen Abingdon  2c 547

The certificate is a handwritten transcript of the register.  The superintendent registrar, who is obliged to ensure that certificates are accurate copies of the register, included a note pointing out that the bride’s name was spelt differently, Elisa Ellen Kembry.

How might the discrepancy have arisen?

The GRO index has at least two copying events in its provenance (copy of original register submitted, details copied on creation of the index), the certificate just one.  Does that mean the certificate is more reliable?  We do not know if the two original registers are identical, so there is a possibility that the bride did not consistently spell her name.  How was her name recorded on other records?

Oct-Dec 1851 GRO birth index Eliza Ellen Kembrey
1861 census Ellen Kembrey
1871 census Ellen Kimbrey
1873 daughter Emily’s birth certificate Eliza Ellen Dunsdon formerly Kembrey
1881 census Elizabeth Dunsdon
1891 census Eliza Ellen Dunsdon
1901 census Eliza Dunsdon

Is there a correct spelling?

Usually it is fairly easy to find alternative forms of a surname through one of the websites that gives statistics on surname frequencies and origins such as British Surnames and Surname Profiles or PublicProfiler gbnames.  However, Kembrey and Kembry are not listed.  Similarly a search on Ancestry’s ‘Learn about the history of your surname page’ indicates a mere 757 census and voters roll records spread across time, so it seems the name is rare indeed.

The Kembrey name could be a corruption of something that sounds similar, which is something I should bear in mind when I try tracing earlier generations.  Soundex provides a means of comparing phonetically similar names.  The soundex code for Kembrey/Kembry is K516 or C516 if you replace the K with a C.  RootsWeb’s Soundex Converter suggests other surnames sharing these soundex codes:

Kemper, Kempers, Kimber, Kimberlin, Kimberly, Kimbrell, Kimbro, Kimbrough, Knepper, Knippers, Camber, Cambridge, Chamberlain, Chamberlin, Chambers, Comfort, Comper, Confer, Conibear, Conover, Conpropst, Converse, Convery, Coomber, Cumberland

© Sue Adams 2013


The Housekeeper, the Valet and Grand Connections

Mary Lamb was the daughter of a grocer in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire[1].  Robert Fleming was the son of a shoemaker from Devon[2].  Assignment to a social class in the Victorian era is difficult, especially for those not belonging to the aristocracy or clearly working class.  Those engaged in trade such as a grocer and skilled manufacturers such as a shoemaker, might be considered lower middle class or on the boundary between working and middle class.

The Marquis

The 1841 census records both Mary and Robert working as domestic servants in the same household[3].   This census does not distinguish between types of servants, but the near to last or last position in the list of servants suggests junior posts.  Even taking into account that they were in their early twenties, this appears to be a decline in status to working class.  Well, until you consider that Henry, Marquis of Anglesey was their employer and the address, Uxbridge House, Old Burlington Street was the aristocrat’s rather grand London house.

The Earl

The 1851 census reveals that Robert had risen to the position of valet, the Marquis’ personal assistant and a senior post in the household[4].  Mary is found at her brother-in-law’s (James Simms who married Anne Lamb) house in Bromsgrove with her unmarried sister Sarah[5].  Both Mary and Sarah’s occupations were recorded as housekeeper.  As part of the extended family, I think it more likely that the sisters were visitors than employed by James. The housekeeper was the most senior female position the household who supervised servants and kept the household accounts.  I do not know where Mary was housekeeper, but it was not Uxbridge House as that position was occupied by Jane Wilkins.

Evidence of Mary Lamb’s connection with another aristocratic family has been passed down through Mary Louisa Wilson, grand-niece and benefactor of Mary Lamb:

Mrs Lamb-Mrs Stanley annotation

Mrs Lamb-Mrs Stanley annotation

Mrs Lamb
with Mrs C. Stanley’s kind regards
and best wishes for
Janry 1st 1853

The status of Mrs

Now, you may ask, who were the Mrs Lamb and Mrs C. Stanley referenced in the annotation?  First, we need to consider some 19th century naming conventions[6]:

  • Mrs has not always denoted marital status, but denoted social status in the sense of a mistress who governs servants or business.  Consequently, Mrs was applied to unmarried housekeepers into the mid 20th century to distinguish their social status from the under servants.  Mary Lamb is a good candidate.  I can rule her mother, a Mrs by marriage, who died in 1851, but not her housekeeper sister Sarah.
  • The form of address for a married woman using her husband’s first name appeared in ca. 1800 in the upper classes and became common in all social strata.  So Mrs C. Stanley in 1853 is consistent with being Frances Augusta, the wife of Charles Stanley.

In 1851, Charles James Fox Stanley and his family resided at Knowsley Hall, Lancashire, in the household of his father, Edward, the Earl of Derby.  This very grand household lists 66 servants, but no housekeeper.  Could Mary Lamb have been the absent housekeeper?

Moving up the social and economic scale

As live-in servants, Robert and Mary could potentially have saved a large proportion of their earnings.  I don’t have any direct evidence of their annual income, but Mrs Beeton’s famous book gives an idea of the range.  Using the Measuring Worth website gives an indication of the modern equivalent using the 2011 average earnings for a conservative estimate.  Working for high ranking aristocracy, it is possible that they achieved the upper end of the range.

1861 minimum annual pay 2011 minimum equivalent 1861 maximum annual pay 2011 maximum equivalent
Housekeeper £18 £11,000 £45 £27,500
Valet £20 £12,200 £50 £30,600
combined £38 £23,200 £95 £58,100

After at least 13 years in service and both having risen to senior positions, it is likely that Robert and Mary were well placed to marry.  On 22 April 1854 Robert obtained a marriage license from the diocese of London in person.  He swore that there was no impediment to the marriage and that Mary Lamb

“hath had her usual place of abode within the said Parish of St Margaret Westminster for the space of fifteen days last past”.

The choice of church was aspirational as St Margaret’s is right next to Westminster Abbey.

Marriage Certificate - Robert Fleming & Mary Lamb

Marriage Certificate – Robert Fleming & Mary Lamb

Bride: Mary Lamb
Groom: Robert Fleming
Date: 25 April 1854
Location: St Margaret’s, Westminster
Bride’s address: 32 Abingdon Street
Groom’s address: 10 Half Moon Street, Piccadilly

The bride’s address, within a stones throw of the church, may have been a matter of fulfilling the residence requirement of the marriage license, rather than a permanent residence.  The groom’s address is the location of Flemings Hotel.  Robert and Mary’s combined resources, skills and experience made a formidable team in a business targeted at serving the aristocracy.  The marriage was almost certainly a fundamental in the success of the hotel.

By the time of Robert’s death in 1891, his estate was valued at £29,487 8s 2d[7], equivalent to at least £2.6 million using the most conservative measure[8].

Respectable and hard working.  Definitely middle class.

© Sue Adams 2013


[1] General Register Office. Marriage Certificate. Bromsgrove, Worcester. No. 250. Simms, John  & Lamb, Ann, 1843/07/13.  incorporating image of parish register, issued 30 January 1990. occupation of father of bride, Edward Lamb = grocer.

Church of England. St John the Baptist, Bromsgrove. Parish Register. Vol. 12 Baptisms 1806 – 1814, Burials 1806 – 1815. Worcestershire Record Office, 850BROMSGROVE ST JOHN BAPTIST/9135/4/ii. (microfilm) Baptism. 1812/07/26. Mary Lamb.

[2] Church of England. Farnham St Andrew, Surrey. p.161, no 1287. Microfilm. Baptism. 1820/11/22. Fleming, Robert. .Surrey History Centre, Woking.

[3] Census. 1841.  England, Middlesex, Westminster, St James, digital image. Ancestry (ancestry.co.uk: accessed 17 april 2013) Middlesex > St James > Golden Square > District 6 >image no 2 . citing The National Archives, Kew HO 017/235/5/27-28/pp.1-2. Fleming, Robert & Lamb, Mary, servants in household of Marquis of Anglesey.

[4] Census. 1851. England. Middlesex, Westminster, St James, digital image. Ancestry (ancestry.co.uk: accessed 17 April 2013) Middlesex > Westminster St James > Golden Square > District 11 > image no 15. citing The National Archives, Kew HO 107/1485/416/14.  Fleming, Robert valet in household of Marquis of Anglesey.

[5] Census. 1851. England. Worcestershire, Bromsgrove, digital image. Ancestry (ancestry.co.uk: accessed 17 April 2013) Worcestershire > Bromsgrove > District 2c > image no 31. citing The National Archives, Kew HO 107/2047/122/30.  Simms, John.

[6] Erickson, Amy Louise. July 2012. Mistresses and marriage: or, a short history of the Mrs. Economic and Social History at Cambridge. Working Papers in Economic and Social History. http://www.econsoc.hist.cam.ac.uk/docs/CWPESH%20number%208%20July%202012.pdf

[7] Principal Probate Registry, High Court of Justice, Probate – Robert Fleming, York Probate, Sub Registry, 1st Floor, Castle Chambers, Clifford Street, York YO1 9RG, sealed copy of Grant of Probate, 1891/03/12. died 12 March 1891. supplied 12 January 2007. Family Division of the High Court of Justice.

[8] Measuring Worth, Retail Price Index


Marriage on Facebook and a Customised Chart

Sarah & Steve's marriage certificate

Sarah & Steve’s marriage certificate

On Saturday my cousin Sarah married Steve.  With her permission, I will tell you about some of the records created as a consequence.

Bride: Sarah Elizabeth Barron
Groom: Stephen Kenneth Lees
Date: 16 March 2013
Location: Old Rectory Hotel, Ipsley, Redditch, Worcestershire

Facebook as a Genealogical Source

Sarah and Steve’s engagement was announced on facebook through a relationship status change.  From a genealogical perspective, this gave me a citation headache.  Although individual timeline posts have individual URLs, status changes do not.  Only one relationship status is recorded, so the previous  status is lost when it is updated.  Since the wedding, Sarah has updated her name and created a facebook page for the relationship, which has an individual URL, so now I can cite it.  According to the page:

Date Event
2 February 2010 Sarah Lees and Stephen Lees became friends.
16 August 2010 Sarah Lees and Stephen Lees started a Relationship
19 August 2012 Sarah Lees and Stephen Lees got Engaged

How would a future genealogist interpret this, especially if they did not understand how facebook works?

For me, it was a treat to talk to the registrars who allowed me to examine the register (for Sarah and Steve’s entry only) and the ‘Certificate for Marriage’ that certifies that the required legal notice had been given, the civil equivalent to the reading of banns.  As these certificates are not kept permanently, and do not find their way to an archive, I have not seen one before.

So I can add a date to the above potted history of the relationship.  Sarah and Steve both gave notice on the 22 November 2012.

Customised charts and data manipulation in FTM, Legacy and RootsMagic

Photo of pedigree charts for Sarah & Steve

Pedigree charts for Sarah & Steve

As a wedding gift, I presented Sarah and Steve with a pair of pedigree charts.  As Sarah has dabbled in the dark genealogical arts, I wanted a chart she could add to.  I also wanted to customise the charts with colour coding that indicates the quality of sources used.

Maxbal Genealogy sticker charts proved a good solution. The chart stickers come on an A4 sheet and are a standard size, so it should be possible to use a mail merge once the relevant data has been extracted in appropriate format such as csv  Extracting the information I wanted, name, birth date, death date, marriage date and place for each person, was not straightforward.  The data is stored in Family Tree Maker 2010 for historical reasons..  However, FTM 2010 does not have a custom report that allows selection of data fields.  Next I exported the data via a GEDCOM file for transfer to another program.  I tried out both Legacy 7 and RootsMagic 5.  Legacy has two reports for address labels and name labels, but these do not allow other data fields to be included.  RootsMagic has a custom report that allows selections of data fields to create a table that can be exported in several formats.  I used this report to gather the information for the direct ancestors of Sarah and Steve.  As I had recorded multiple records for some events, further selection was needed.

Chart key

Chart key

The colour coding is a rough guide to the quality of the source from which conclusions were drawn.  Each person’s data was ranked according to whether each of the name, birth date, death date and marriage details are based on the best available primary information from an original source.  The darker the colour, the higher the ranking.  Lower ranked, coloured in lighter reds indicate that there is still work to be done.

© Sue Adams 2013


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